connected. they are completely separate things. >> bill: i didn't know that perhaps i didn't know that because in the last 10 years there has been absolutely no deviation. but thank you for telling me that. >> no, that's not true. >> thank you. >> they have very strict wall between. >> >> bill: very strict wall i see, i'm sorry but that's the truth. it is great that thea they reported on it i think they got into one of the fundamental problems that's not discussed enough, which is, yes, chicago, the city has these gun laws, but the state doesn't have the strict gun laws and the surrounding states don't have the gun laws, which means that you can just go right outside city limits and buy a gun. >> bill: powers, the state of illinois has very very strict laws, but your point is correct that you can go outside of new york city, washington, d.c., chicago, and it's easier to buy a gun. but, the problem is, that's not going to change with any ban because there are already 300 million plus guns. >> we agree on that. >> bill: on the street. not going to change.